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As an expert on cloning , he creates clones of both Gwen and Peter, discovering Peter is Spider-Man as a result. Jackal blames Spider-Man for Gwen's death and wants to kill him. Both men believe they are the real Peter Parker. The two Spider-Men soon decide to work together, but one is seemingly killed by the same bomb that kills the Jackal. The surviving Spider-Man determines he is the original because he is in love with Mary Jane Watson , which did not happen until after Prof. Warren created the clone. Spider-Man drops the body of the clone into an incinerator. Gwen Stacy's clone disappears to find a new life for herself.
The Amazing Spider-Man , the climactic installment of the original Clone Saga, leaves it ambiguous whether it is the original Spider-Man or his clone who perishes in the bomb explosion. Conway said this ambiguity was unintentional, as at the time he took it as a given that Marvel would never replace the star of The Amazing Spider-Man with a clone. A few years later, Spider-Man encountered Carrion , who claimed to be a degenerated clone of Warren.
The clone of Gwen Stacy reappeared many years later when she was being pursued by the High Evolutionary , who was determined to discover how Warren had been able to perfect cloning. In the process, he discovered that Warren had not, but had instead created a genetic virus which transformed already living beings into supposed clones of other people. It was claimed that the Gwen clone was really a woman named Joyce Delany who was seemingly cured of the virus and left to lead her own life once more.
More years passed before Spider-Man's clone reappeared. He had survived the battle and for five years had lived an existence under the name Ben Reilly a combination of Peter's Uncle Ben 's first name and Aunt May 's maiden name , and develops a superhero identity of his own as Scarlet Spider after returning to New York City. A series of chaotic events followed, in which Peter and Ben were plagued by both a resurrected Jackal and by Kaine , who was an unsuccessful first clone.
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In the process, another clone of Spider-Man became the villain Spidercide. Matters were further confused by the interventions of the mysterious and seemingly all-powerful Judas Traveller and Scrier. The revelations made by the High Evolutionary were revealed to have been inaccurate, driven by a determination to discredit Warren, who had formerly worked with him. Medical tests indicated Peter was actually the clone and Ben the original.
Peter temporarily retired as Spider-Man, leaving the mantle of Spider-Man to Ben while he prepared for his new role as a father after the discovery that Mary Jane was pregnant; Peter even lost his powers for a time during his 'retirement', although they eventually came back after a near-death experience.
The climax revealed that Peter, Ben, the Jackal and many others had all been manipulated for years by Norman Osborn a. Osborn said Peter was the original—having faked the evidence that revealed Peter's status as the clone as part of a plan to break Peter's spirit—a claim that was confirmed when Ben died saving Peter's life and his body degenerated like any other clone's. During the mids, Marvel consistently published four monthly Spider-Man series, roughly one every week.
For the most part, the Spider-titles were treated during this storyline as a single weekly series, although occasionally they would separate, pair off, or have special anniversary editions. The Clone Saga ran through all four titles from October to December , in addition to a multitude of spin-offs, one-shots, and ancillary issues.
The relevant issues are:. Furthermore, all five titles were temporarily renamed with "Scarlet Spider" in place of "Spider-Man" for two months, in imitation of the X-Men's " Age of Apocalypse " story arc, with Web of Scarlet Spider continuing for an additional two months after the other titles returned.
Originally, The Osborn Journal was to be included. Instead, Spider-Man 75 has 14 bonus pages. The bonus pages are drawn by John Romita Jr. As of December five volumes collecting between 12 and 19 issues each have been released. As mentioned above, a re-release of the original s story was released in summer , [ needs update ] bridging the Clone Saga and Ben Reilly Epics. Spider-Man editor Mark Bernardo said "Marching orders we were given by upper management to come up with something similar in scope to DC's "Death of Superman" storyline, which at the time was breaking sales records left and right.
Thus, no outrageous idea was out of bounds. Terry Kavanagh was cajoled into blurting out his clone idea, which first met with groans and indifference, until someone to my recollection, J. DeMatteis suddenly realized the radical possibilities of such a storyline. Howard Mackie revealed "When the story was begun we knew it would be controversial, and that was part of the point.
Bernardo added that the length of the arc was initially planned to be short, "The whole arc was supposed to end in Amazing Spider-Man , and leave 'Ben Reilly' as the one and only 'original Peter Parker' and forge a new beginning. The whole storyline, was supposed to simplify Spider-Man's mythos and ultimately bring him "back to basics. Although the readers had been getting clues about a mysterious figure with links to Peter Parker in the issues leading up to the story, the starting point for the second Clone Saga was the end of Spectacular Spider-Man Sept , written by Tom DeFalco and Todd Dezago , in which Spider-Man was confronted by an exact look-alike of himself.
The writers set up the possibility that the clone could be the real Spider-Man. Additionally, he became known as the super-hero the Scarlet Spider , complete with a unique costume. According to established Spider-Man assistant editor Glenn Greenberg "No one—not the writers, not the editors—seemed to know who or what the hell Judas Traveller was. He was seemingly this immensely powerful, quasi-mystical being with amazing abilities, but what was the real deal with him?
But to be honest, a character like Traveller didn't really fit into Spider-Man's world. Tom DeFalco came up with the idea of making Spider-Man's wife Mary Jane pregnant, feeling it would be a dramatic event that would help set up the saga's ultimate resolution.
Bob Budiansky became editor-in-chief on the Spider-Man line.
By then, the writers had established a new villain, Kaine. To prove that he was dangerous, the writers had him killing classic Spider-Man foes, including Doctor Octopus , with his corpse shown to rule out any possibility that he would return. Then, the creative staff brought back the Jackal, the original culprit of the clones. DeMatteis, and part written by Todd DeZago and Howard Mackie, Jackal gave readers doubt and suspicion by stating that Peter was the clone, followed by a reverse statement, and then assessing them as both being clones of an original; because of this, the story was considered convoluted.
It was this story that kicked off what would become an increasingly tiresome stream of clones, lies upon lies, fake-outs, and convoluted twists and turns. At this point, the creative staff, seemingly without strict direction, inserted a lot of open plot points waiting to be resolved, such as Ben Reilly worrying about "degeneration" of his body due to cloning, why Kaine was protecting Spider-Man but preying on Ben Reilly, why Ben and Spider-Man shared dreams, why Kaine was foreseeing Mary Jane's death, who the mysterious new character Seward Trainer was as well as the identity of the "Third Peter Parker" aka Spidercide.
With a plethora of writers and editors, the storyline was initiated throughout all the regular Spider-Man series, but slowly grew out of control. The sales department requested extensions to the storyline, buoyed up by very strong sales on the book at a time when most other comics were experiencing a noticeable decline. With this extension, the storyline outlived several key creative staff and many decisions on the eventual direction of the storyline were changed. With Amazing Spider-Man , in a controversial decision, the writers ended the life of Spider-Man's aunt May Parker , a major supporting character since Seward Trainer as the clone of Ben.
This resulted in a major backlash by fans, that wrote letters to Marvel with various complaints. Goletz said that the next chapter in the saga was to "begin the new era of Spider-Man. Peter and Mary Jane would be written out of the books, and sent off to live in peace with their soon-to-be-born child. Ben would get the chance to establish himself as Spider-Man and move forward. Going into the planning stages for what would turn out to be 'Maximum Clonage', the intent was indeed to finish up the clone story line once and for all and quickly get Ben started as Spider-Man.
Instead of tying up loose ends, the story was changed in such a way that practically every issue brought up new clones. Instead of being killed, the Gwen Stacy clone was allowed to slip away unnoticed. The story arc was heavily criticized for its undefined character motives, and an apparent lack of distinction between villains, heroes, and their allies.
Following the end of "Maximum Clonage", the creative staff launched revamps of established villains a new female Doctor Octopus, a new Vulture, and the Grim Hunter, the son of Kraven the Hunter , without much success. DeMatteis resigned out of creative weariness with the saga's repeated extensions, later likening the work to "writing chapter two of a multi-part story month after month". We'd get four new number 1's out of it, and it would be a way to capitalize on the Scarlet Spider's popularity one last time before he became the new Spider-Man.
What that meant was holding off Ben's debut as Spider-Man even longer. Ultimately, they compromised on two issues of each title. More efforts were taken to solidify Ben as the new Spider-Man, such as establishing a supporting cast for Ben. However, there were many staff that had a hard time accepting Ben as Peter's replacement, such as the new writer of "Sensational", Dan Jurgens.
Jurgens wanted to work on the Peter Parker version of the character, and was disappointed to have Ben instead, and so he made a plea to Budiansky to bring back Parker, arguing that Ben confused new readers, and was a disappointment to longtime readers who had grown to love Parker. Budiansky was sold on the idea. The task of actually reestablishing Parker as the true Spider-Man without it seeming like a cop-out was daunting enough that Budiansky invited the whole of Marvel's staff to offer ideas.
Greenberg recalled "I think even the janitor and the mail room guys weighed in at one point. It got a little out of hand, to put it mildly At this time, Greenberg recalled, the plan for the Clone Saga was: "A mysterious figure was intended to be the sole mastermind behind the entire Clone Saga, a powerful and influential figure who was controlling Seward Trainer and manipulating the lives of Peter Parker and Ben Reilly from the shadows. Forced to wear an environmental suit to maintain his life functions, he would eventually be restored to health by Seward, and at that point, we would reveal his identity.
The Scrier would be revealed as Mephisto , who would appear at the end of the "time loop" to give Ben the option of saving Peter's life in place of his own. This would eliminate the idea that either Ben or Peter was a clone, instead asserting that Ben was Peter from 5 years in the future, sent back by Mephisto to co-exist with the current Peter.
The Jackal would be responsible for convincing Peter that was sent back in time that he was a clone, thus taking on the ID of Ben. The major selling point to this plan was that it would restore the memories of Ben who was really Peter all along and thus hopefully satisfy longtime readers. Budiansky and Greenberg fleshed out the storyline with plans for publication in April While the "Time Loop" idea had won the approval of the editorial staff, the writers unanimously refused to adopt it, with the minimal role of Spider-Man himself in the storyline being the most troubling issue.
The writers proposed alternative solutions, but none of them attained editorial approval the way the "Time Loop" idea had. As a result, the Spider-Man group was unable to proceed with any conclusion to the saga, despite agreement among both writers and editors that it should end as soon as possible. Finally Jurgens, wrote a memo proposing that the saga end with Ben being revealed as a clone and dying in a climactic act of heroism, while Mary Jane has a miscarriage and separates from Peter.
He concluded the memo with "This proposal has holes. But I believe it serves as a general framework we can all work with to fill in as needed. This is my last shot. After this, I give up. It roughly followed the idea proposed in Jurgens' memo, but added in the revelation that the mastermind behind the saga was Harry Osborn. As a result of a downgrade, Marvel dissolved the five editor-in-chief positions, leaving only one: Bob Harras. Harras rejected the idea of Osborn being the villain and ordered the "Clone Saga"'s finale to be postponed six months to avoid competition with the crossover storyline "Onslaught".
Jurgens left Marvel in frustration at the postponement. Published issues had already dropped clues at Harry Osborn being the villain, and with him eliminated, Budiansky felt compelled to write a memo forbidding that Harry's father Norman take the role: "Norman's death should never be undone, in my opinion. It's too classic Let him rest in peace. Harras replaced Budiansky with Ralph Macchio as editor, who declared that Norman Osborn would be the master planner of the cloning. Glenn Greenberg recalled that "The reaction was not enthusiastic. I don't think ANYONE - from the writers to the editors to the assistant editors - agreed with Harras's idea, although his rationale certainly made sense to a certain extent.
Harras felt that there was only one person who could have had the money, the resources, the connections, the knowledge, and the motivation to orchestrate the Clone Saga and disrupt Peter Parker's life to such a profound extent. In order to give Norman Osborn's return some credibility and link to continuity, Greenberg charted a detailed timeline to explain how Norman had survived his death and what he had been doing in the years he was believed to be dead. Though this timeline was originally intended only as an internal reference for the creative staff, it became the basis for the follow-up one-shot, "The Osborn Journals".
Ex-editor-in-chief Tom DeFalco said that under him, the Clone Saga would have been resolved in a different way: "Our plan was to structure the clone saga like a three-act play. Act One would climax at or around Amazing —when we revealed that Pete was the clone and Ben was the real guy.
Act Two would last around three months and follow Ben's adventures. Mark and I was hoping the Spider-crew could make Ben a viable character during his turn in the spotlight, and we planned to star Ben in his own monthly title after Peter returned. It was kind of like what I had already done with Thor and Thunderstrike —two very different titles based on a single concept. Of course, our plan went into the trash the day I got fired.
Series co-creator Howard Mackie described how this project was born: "Somewhere along the line I discovered a notebook which contained the original notes from the very first meeting at which the clone story was discussed. The original notes showed that the story was planned as a three month event spread across the four monthly Spider-Man titles. At some point Ralph talked to Joe Quesada, and I got a phone call from Ralph [Macchio] asking if I wanted to do a mini-series showing a version that was truer to what the writers originally imagined.
Tom and I remember certain story points differently. The goal with this mini-series was get back to basics, to strip away the extraneous stuff that got layered onto the original story, and to present the cleanest possible version of what was a pretty simple story at heart.
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It was decided that it would be best if only two writers collaborated on this mini-series. According to DeFalco, the series closely followed Mackie's notes, but necessarily filled out what was essentially a rough outline with details. In addition, they decided that Jackal and Kaine had to be included in the story in order to cater to fan expectations, even though neither character is mentioned in Mackie's notes. Ben Reilly and Peter bond after Kaine attacks them, and Ben stays in New York as Peter's blond-haired cousin so he can build a life of his own.
He adopts the identity of the Scarlet Spider and works at the Daily Grind. Ben, Peter, and Kaine reach the lair of the shadowy figure responsible for infecting Aunt May and Mary Jane with a genetic virus. The villain is revealed to be the Jackal, who captures all three and reveals that he plans to make an army of Spider-clones and take over the world. Torchwood met an old lover of Jack's, Captain John Hart , who had came through the Rift searching for some canisters that had also come through. He told Torchwood that they contained radioactive bombs.
John wounded Owen, who then treated himself.
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Owen managed to treat Gwen's poisoning by John. Owen caught up with John, but the contents of the canisters were actually components of a bomb that latched onto the DNA of the owner of the canisters' murderer.
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Owen concocted a mixture of the team's DNA to confuse the bomb, which Jack injected into John to detach and safely dispose of it. John was forced to leave 21st century Cardiff. He and Ianto went on a mission to the Brecon Beacons. He was slightly annoyed that he wasn't in charge of the mission. He didn't like the valleys when they travelled to Hengoed. He had to share a room with Ianto. He ignored the briefing. Two local teenagers asked him to get some alcohol in exchange for information.
He thought that the signal might be coming from the mines. He got annoyed at Bryn when he wouldn't chuck him off the tour of the old mines. He investigated an abandoned rugby club and after interrupting Bashy and Brogan having sex he was told that there was something in the clubhouse and went after Ianto. He decided to disobey Torchwood protocol and let her stay instead of being taken in.
After a murder at a flat, Owen and Gwen went to find out who the murderer was, suspecting alien intervention. They found a girl named Beth and brought her to the Hub. Owen watched as Jack interrogated her and learned she was a sleeper agent intended to explode to cripple the Earth's defences for an alien invasion. He sedated the woman, Beth , but she managed to escape. At the same time, the sleepers around the city activated and began detonating in banks and other populated places. Owen, Ianto and Tosh were on the comms to Jack, learning that the end of the world could be imminent. Owen quickly stated that they should all have sex, something which disgusted Ianto.
However, they all survived when Jack succeeded in killing the last cell. While celebrating, Beth feigned still being a sleeper, threatening to kill Gwen. Owen and the others gunned the woman down. TV : Sleeper. As standard procedure, Owen reanimated the body of soldier Tommy Brockless , a shell shocked soldier from World War! He and Tosh took blood tests and assured the soldier still remembered who he was.
Owen was reminded by Jack that Tommy would one day be needed for a mission. Meanwhile, rift activity increased around a hospital nearby, resulting in the team investigating. While there, Owen told Tosh she was becoming too attached to Tommy, having taken note of their relationship. The next day, the rift activity became so strong it threatened to fuse Cardiff with itself nearly years ago. Realising this was the day Tommy needed to go back, Owen helped the others send him back and then injected Tosh with a sleep agent to connect with Tommy so he knew to seal the rift on his side in the past.
Owen consoled Tosh over losing Tommy. TV : To the Last Man. When investigating a scheme of cutting alien meat from a creature that continuously grew no matter how mutilated, Owen tried to make a sedative for it to figure out a way to make it stop growing but when told it wasn't possible, he instead proceeded to kill the creature to put it out of its misery. He also helped Rhys recover from a gunshot wound in the shoulder. TV : Meat. When the alien Adam altered his personality and memories, Owen became a shy, sheltered nerd.
He analysed Gwen when she failed to remember her boyfriend Rhys, unaware that Adam had altered Gwen's memories. He was also very uncomfortable when seeing Adam and Tosh kiss , harbouring jealousy. That night, he stumblingly declared his love for Toshiko, only to be rejected. He later apologised with flowers.
He was present when Jack revealed that Adam was a creature from the rift who had altered them to force his way into existence. Owen took retcon to forget the entire incident. TV : Adam. Though neither of them remembered the incident, Tosh haltingly asked him out on a date despite his flirting with temporary Torchwood Three agent Martha Jones and he accepted, although circumstances would intervene and prevent this from occurring. TV : Reset. Owen dies protecting Martha. Jack revives Owen. TV : Dead Man Walking.
Before Martha performed the autopsy on Owen, Jack used the second resurrection gauntlet to temporarily restore Owen to life so that he could say goodbye to his friends, during which Tosh confessed her love for him, and, ostensibly, so Jack could obtain the passcode to the morgue. Although it was assumed that he would only regain consciousness for two minutes before dying forever per how the first gauntlet worked , for reasons unknown Owen remained conscious, having been returned to a state of partial life.
An undead Owen overpowers Death. A consequence of Owen's resurrection was the manifestation of an old entity known as " Duroc ", which escaped from the afterlife and inhabited Owen. It tried to kill thirteen victims, allowing it permanent passage to the world and the potential to kill all living things in existence by merely touching them. However, Owen, in his half-revived state, was unaffected by Death's touch and vanquished it back to oblivion by shooting the resurrection gauntlet that kept it tethered to the living world and then exposing it to sunlight when they grappled against each other.
Although once again conscious and sentient, Owen Harper, post-death, found he had limited bodily functions. His wounds would not heal, he could not breathe or blow air and he couldn't sleep. He could swallow liquids and food, but he had no sense of taste and he did not digest food; it had to be removed or somehow expelled from his body. After an unsuccessful attempt to get drunk, Owen stood on his head to allow gravity to drain fluids from his system. His lack of blood flow made erections impossible. Owen was encouraged to maintain regular physical exercise to prevent rigour mortis from setting in.
Normally painful stimuli did not hurt. He injured his left hand twice by cutting it and then by deliberately breaking a finger. Due to Owen's inability to heal, Jack was initially hesitant to allow Owen to take part in regular operations again, and demoted him to "tea boy", but soon Owen was back out in the field. His lack of breathing and other bodily functions proved useful to the team when he was able to circumvent a heat-based alarm system TV : A Day in the Death and at least twice he suffered no harm at the hands of Rift-based creatures who found him unpalatable and confusing.
Owen screams underwater when he learns he can't drown. TV : A Day in the Death. As a doctor, Owen was distressed at being unable to perform artificial respiration on a dying man because he could not breathe. Yet, by telling his tale to a suicidal woman , he was able to prevent her from throwing herself off a building. Owen coped with his self-pity and managed to pull himself together enough to go back to work and to carry on, which included a deepening, if somewhat strained, friendship with Toshiko.
Martha Jones indicated to Owen that the energy used to keep him "alive" began to dissipate after the defeat of Durac, but considered it impossible to predict when it would run out and "final death" would occur. She told Owen it could take anywhere from thirty seconds to thirty years. Owen's original response to his change of status in life and in Torchwood led to him briefly alienating his colleagues, and at least once he tried to commit suicide by jumping into Cardiff Bay.
This was ineffectual. TV : A Day in the Death To a degree, Harkness — himself accustomed to immortality — tried to help Owen, but was at first rebuffed given that Jack's immortality didn't prevent him from enjoying pleasures such as food and sex. They found that they had been kidnapped by Glynn Lewis as mates for his Weevil son Sonny.
Owen helped Jan deliver Sonny's child, after which the girls convinced Sonny to kill Glynn. The girls decided to stay living with Sonny. As Jack had no interest in the mission and sympathised with the Church, Owen was in charge of the operation. Tosh forced Owen to listen to her have sex with him as revenge for putting her in that position. She later told him that he was a bad leader. Owen, at peace as he dies.
Several weeks after his death, Owen was tasked to stop a nuclear reactor near Cardiff from going into meltdown during events precipitated by the arrival of Jack's brother, Gray. Unfamiliar with nuclear reactors, Owen kept in communication with Tosh back in the Hub, who talked him through the shutdown procedure. Unknown to Owen, Tosh had just suffered a mortal injury and was keeping this from him. During the shutdown, the control room was locked down, and Tosh and Owen realised the radioactive waste would be vented through the room, destroying Owen's body. Suddenly Owen saw a door that was not yet locked, pushed a button which would automatically close it, and ran.
However, the door closed before he could escape. Owen became defiant and angry and said he wasn't going to die quietly, which upset Toshiko, who was herself dying. After Tosh cried that he was breaking her heart, he relented and asked what was going to happen. As he was "dead" and could not feel the pain, Owen expected to watch as his body fell apart. He talked over the comm with Toshiko, discussing the date they had never gone on and the "Space Pig" incident Toshiko covered for. As the reactor went critical, he appeared philosophical and reassured Tosh with the words "It's all right.
Toshiko died shortly afterwards. Owen left a resounding impression on the Torchwood staff. After the incident, Jack revealed that he felt responsible for Owen's death, along with those of all the other Torchwood operatives who had died under his command. The ghost of Ianto Jones' father mentioned Owen among the loved ones his son could have seen again if he let Syriath free from the Cardiff Rift.
TV : The New World. In an alternate timeline in which John Hart took control of the British Empire and the Torchwood Institute , Owen operated an incinerator at Torchwood. A habitual womaniser, Owen rarely turned down an opportunity for seduction. He seemed to be the only member of the Torchwood team that was completely heterosexual, except for certain occasions when he would kiss men to get the girl.
He had a dark side, willing to manipulate people. TV : Everything Changes Owen was a narcissistic genius who was perfectly aware of his own considerable intellect. He possessed a quick, sardonic wit and often lightened dark situations with his humour. However Owen's cavalier exterior hid a soul in constant torment. His constant rage, while usually under control, would occasionally explode, once going so far as to shoot Jack Harkness dead unaware of the fact that he was immortal at the time because he felt that Jack didn't care about what he and the others had lost.
TV : Combat , End of Days While he pretended to be largely self-interested, Owen had empathy as shown by his obsession with avenging Lizzie Lewis ' death. Three of Owen's favourite things were eating, sleeping and having sex and he was greatly disappointed by the fact that he couldn't do any of them when he was brought back to life after being shot dead.
He was deeply loyal to the Torchwood team and had a protective relationship with Gwen Cooper. Owen liked to project an aura of callous indifference; he himself was often unaware of his own feelings, most likely including his love for Toshiko Sato. TV : Meat However, he wasn't perfect proven when he misdiagnosed a dead cadaver for having died naturally and not shot by a woman, TV : Greeks Bearing Gifts and couldn't give accurate instructions to Toshiko on how to heal his bullet wound, forcing him to do it himself.
TV : Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang Further more, he was initially inferior in skill to Martha Jones , not checking a dead man's medical records or their bloodstream for any anomalies, but he later managed to test a victims blood effectively TV : Reset. After being resurrected, he no longer needed to breathe, enabling him to stay conscious underwater for at least 36 minutes; TV : A Day on the Death he essentially had no breath to steal. TV : From Out of the Rain Being dead also meant he wasn't "fresh" so he wasn't eaten by a carnivorous alien.
TV : Something Borrowed Due to his tissues cells being dead, he was impervious to pain demonstrated when he didn't realise he cut his hand with a scalpel TV : Dead Man Walking and could break his fingers willingly. However, this did mean he was unable to heal naturally, forcing him to constantly redress any wounds he sustained, as well as no longer being able to enjoy natural pleasure such as taste and sex.
He was also vulnerable to rigor mortis, forcing him to exercise regularly to stave it off.