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End of John Gill quote The story of the young virgin Emerentiana is just that, a story. Amongst them are saints Cyril of Jerusalem and Saint Basil. However, those two saints no doubt, all the saints they misquote were staunch believers in the true definition of baptism. A bold saying, but not mine, for it is Jesus who has declared it. Through faith, all will answer. How are we saved? By being born again in the grace of baptism For it is the same loss for anyone to depart this life unbaptized as to receive that baptism from which one thing of what has been handed down to us has been omitted.

A sacrament is a sign.

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Baptism is the sign of faith therefore one should not receive it without believing what has been handed down to us. IIII Debitum: et infra.. Sane intimasti, quod quidam Iudaeus in mortis articulo constitutus, cum inter ludaeos tantum existeret, in aqua seipsum immersit, dicendo: ego baptiszo me in nomine patris, et filii et spiritus sancti, amen: et infra. Respondemus, quod cum inter baptizatem et baptizatum debeat esse discretio, sicut ex verbis Domini colligitur, dicentis Apostolis: Ite, baptizate omnes gentes in nomine patris , et filli, et spiritus sancti: memoratus Iudaeus est denuo abalio baptizadus: ut ostendatur, quod alius est qui baptizatur, et alius qui baptizat.

Ad quod etiam designandum ipse Christus, non a seipso, sed a Ioanne voluit baptizari: quamuis si talis continuo decessisset, ad caelestem patriam protinus evolasset, propter sacramenti fide, et si no propter fidei sacramentu. In baptismo quippe illa spiritualis generatio celebrator, de qua veritas ait All definitions regarding baptism or otherwise that came before Aquinas would be bound to believe or he would have been a heretic. So it is common sense Saint Thomas Aquinas had knowledge and understanding of the supposed Feeneyite quotes that were before his time if in fact those quotes are true.

The heretics will say Saint Thomas was merely mistaken - not heretical. If somebody still held his old teaching that one would be, today, a heretic because the Immaculate Conception has been defined by the source of light and truth, the Papacy. This same principle applies concerning the proper definition of baptism before Saint Thomas Aquinas was born and during his lifetime. He did not believe and teach about baptism in the way Feeneyites do because Feeneyism was not taught by the Catholic Church nor has it been taught since that time nor will it ever be.

Below you will find Saint Thomas Aquinas taught both baptism of desire and blood, while calling baptism of desire more rare but certainly not denying it. Now, for want of an older source, the following has been taken from the Summa of Saint Thomas Aquinas from a website. If an older Summa, in English, can be found, please contact us. In any case, there is likely not much discrepancy. The orthodoxy of Saint Thomas Aquinas urges Feeneyites to sweep him under the rug and no wonder!

Whether three kinds of Baptism are fittingly described--viz. Baptism of Water, of Blood, and of the Spirit? Objection 1. It seems that the three kinds of Baptism are not fittingly described as Baptism of Water, of Blood, and of the Spirit, i. Therefore there should not be three Baptisms.

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Objection 2. Further, Baptism is a sacrament, as we have made clear above III Now none but Baptism of Water is a sacrament. Therefore we should not reckon two other Baptisms. Objection 3. Further, Damascene De Fide Orth. Therefore we should admit more than three Baptisms. On the contrary, on Hebrews , "Of the doctrine of Baptisms," the gloss says: "He uses the plural, because there is Baptism of Water, of Repentance, and of Blood.

Now although the effect depends on the first cause, the cause far surpasses the effect, nor does it depend on it. Consequently, a man may, without Baptism of Water, receive the sacramental effect from Christ's Passion, in so far as he is conformed to Christ by suffering for Him. Hence it is written Apocalypse : "These are they who are come out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes and have made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Of this it is written Isaiah : "If the Lord shall wash away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall wash away the blood of Jerusalem out of the midst thereof, by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning. Wherefore Augustine says De Unico Baptismo Parvulorum iv : "The Blessed Cyprian argues with considerable reason from the thief to whom, though not baptized, it was said: 'Today shalt thou be with Me in Paradise' that suffering can take the place of Baptism.

Having weighed this in my mind again and again, I perceive that not only can suffering for the name of Christ supply for what was lacking in Baptism, but even faith and conversion of heart, if perchance on account of the stress of the times the celebration of the mystery of Baptism is not practicable. The other two Baptisms are included in the Baptism of Water, which derives its efficacy, both from Christ's Passion and from the Holy Ghost. Consequently for this reason the unity of Baptism is not destroyed. Reply to Objection 2. As stated above III , a sacrament is a kind of sign. The other two, however, are like the Baptism of Water, not, indeed, in the nature of sign, but in the baptismal effect.

Consequently they are not sacraments. Reply to Objection 3. Damascene enumerates certain figurative Baptisms. For instance, "the Deluge" was a figure of our Baptism, in respect of the salvation of the faithful in the Church; since then "a few. He also mentions "the crossing of the Red Sea": which was a figure of our Baptism, in respect of our delivery from the bondage of sin; hence the Apostle says 1 Corinthians that "all. Article Whether the Baptism of Blood is the most excellent of these? It seems that the Baptism of Blood is not the most excellent of these three.

For the Baptism of Water impresses a character; which the Baptism of Blood cannot do. Therefore the Baptism of Blood is not more excellent than the Baptism of Water. Further, the Baptism of Blood is of no avail without the Baptism of the Spirit, which is by charity; for it is written 1 Corinthians : "If I should deliver my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

I said I see no infallible teaching of these 3 modes of baptism. I am not schismatic.

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If I am shown infallible teaching I accept it. I have not seen it yet. Since it appears to be contrary to what is known to be infallible I have to reject it unless shown otherwise. How does one reject the church and at the same time be a member of it? The per se rejection of the non-infallible teaching authority of the Church is a schismatic error. The Council of Trent infallibly taught on the baptism of desire.

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And the Magisterium has condemned the heresy of Feeneyism — for taking the same position as you take, rejecting baptisms of desire and of blood. With all due respect. The council of Trent did not teach on Baptism of desire. It taught on adult baptism and within that context said that a desire for baptism was necessary. I never said non-infallible teaching was no better than my own opinion. I said non-infallible teaching is no better than infallible teaching.

I would be interested in reading the condemnation on Feeneyism whatever that is.

Heresy is a willful rejection of infallible doctrine once corrected, it has nothing to do with being wrong in good faith. Numerous falsehoods in your comments. Baptism OR its desire is the plain teaching of Trent and the constant interpretation of the Church. Why do you reject the non-infallible teachings I cited in my post above, based on your own opinion? Formal heresy excommunicates automatically. It does not require any type of correction from Church authority. Material heresy is any idea contrary to an infallible teaching of the Magisterium.

If you are wrong, in good conscience, and yet contradict an infallible teaching, it is still material heresy. Church decision on Fr. He also rejected the baptism of blood. He believed that no one outside of formal membership in the Church could be saved. Look at the statement again.

Does that mean he likes one or the other but not both? You though that Trent was saying…. And the Magisterium says otherwise. You have utterly rejected both non-infallible teachings and the interpretation of past infallible teachings presented by the Magisterium, and you have substituted your own foolish interpretation. No further comments will be accepted from you on this topic. For example, the case of a grandparent who knows that the parents are lapsed or that they are pursuing yoga or some other practice… a situation where it is next to impossible to involve a representative of the Church….

Any human person, even a non-Christian, may baptize. This is not a baptism of desire, but of water. In danger of death, a relative could privately baptize a young child. An older child would need to consent to the baptism. Why is the danger of death significant if any human person may baptize a child under the age of reason? The only emergency would be if there was no water available. Any human person may baptize anyone. But the Church rightly insists on order, rather than chaos.

Persons beyond the age of reason are to be instructed in the Faith before being baptized. The ordinary minister of Baptism is any ordained person deacon, priest, bishop. Only in an extraordinary circumstance can a lay person baptize. And baptizing children without the consent of their parents would only be licit in an emergency. Parents have the primary responsibility for the care of their children. Anyone with an interest in the child may baptize him at any time, then? Assuming they intend to pass on some type of Christian instruction?

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See my reply to JJ. A lay person may only baptize in an extraordinary circumstance. Douay-Rheims Bible Who are born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Darby Bible Translation who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh's will, nor of man's will, but of God. English Revised Version which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Webster's Bible Translation Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Weymouth New Testament who were begotten as such not by human descent, nor through an impulse of their own nature, nor through the will of a human father, but from God. World English Bible who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Young's Literal Translation who -- not of blood nor of a will of flesh, nor of a will of man but -- of God were begotten. John Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. John Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit.

James He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation. And this is the victory that has overcome the world: our faith. Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers. Study Bible The Witness of John … 12 But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

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We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. Treasury of Scripture Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John ,5 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God… James Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

Romans Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called… nor of the will of the. And she went to inquire of the LORD… Genesis ,33 And make me savoury meat, such as I love, and bring it to me, that I may eat; that my soul may bless thee before I die… Romans And not only this ; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; … nor of the will of man. Romans I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, … Romans Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved… of God.